Some Anti-Theist Non secular Bits & Items: Spherical Fifteen
Of all of these Large Questions central to philosophical ideas that encompass life, the universe and every little thing, the realms of theology and religions and the character of deities proceed to fascinate. Opinions proliferate in books, articles, movies, conversations in bars and pubs, and actually wherever and in all places two or extra people are in proximity. There's the professional aspect; there's the anti-side. There aren't too many fence-sitters. I am nonetheless within the anti-camp as the next bits and items illustrate.
Relating to Faith
*The huge variety of non secular faiths is a significant argument in opposition to spiritual religion.
*Religions of necessity creates an "us-and-them" mentality.
*Christians are in favour of freedom of faith so long as it is their faith.
*In case you ever wish to know what's fallacious together with your faith, simply ask any individual from an alternate faith. They're going to be more than happy to inform you.
*Train a baby one faith and also you indoctrinate them. Train them many religions and also you inoculate them.
Relating to Faith vs. Science
*If the Bible is so all scientifically spot-on, then Galileo and Copernicus would by no means have gotten into theological sizzling water so to talk. Even the Pope, John Paul II lastly needed to confess centuries later in October 1992 that Copernicus and (particularly) Galileo obtained it proper and that the Church was fallacious and had achieved these scientists an excessive disservice and injustice.
*When analyzing a couple of of my historical past of science tomes, what do I discover?
The Historical Greeks had been recognized for his or her arithmetic, observations in pure historical past and physics. In addition they got here up with the concept of an instructional establishment of upper studying, and albeit no science, they're clearly related to the idea of the Olympic Video games.
The Arabs excelled at arithmetic and astronomy.
The Polynesians had been masters at maritime and celestial navigation.
The Historical Egyptians are related to huge achievements in engineering and in addition mummification.
The Mayans had been very good observational astronomers even with none instrumentation.
The Incas are famend for his or her engineering building and for metallurgy.
The Chinese language are recognized for quite a few discoveries from chemistry to geophysics to astronomy and medication.
The Vikings had been grasp seafarers.
A number of historical cultures independently got here up with the aerodynamic ideas governing the invention of the boomerang - not related to the Bible after all.
Alas, the Bible and Biblical characters don't fee any point out in any respect. Historians of science don't acknowledge any contribution to science from the Bible or by way of the characters related to the Bible. If something, the 'science' within the Bible will get an enormous thumbs down.
Relating to Religion & Perception
*A perception system that hasn't modified in 2000 years that is not self-correcting is not value squat as a result of it is not able to studying something new.
*I might somewhat not know the reply than make stuff up.
*Now I realise that the world is a really terrifying place, subsequently you're feeling very insecure and alone and small inside this sea of humanity that is completely chilly and detached and uncaring about you. So, it is no surprise that you simply select to dwell as a lot as potential in a la-la-land wonderland inhabited by an invisible magic man within the sky, a Large Brother determine who will take care of you.
*Christian theists symbolize only one religion amongst many quite a few faiths. I've no extra cause to consider in that religion and to simply accept that religion than each you and I each do with respect to any of the opposite faiths. The one tiny distinction between us is that you simply're an atheist in terms of all faiths however one; I am an atheist in terms of all faiths full cease. So to recap, I do not consider in your religion in the identical method that you do not consider in all of the others who've their religion tied up in all the opposite faiths that are not your religion.
*You might declare to have precise 'information' that God exists versus only a diploma of private religion or perception that God exists, however whatever the time period used, you can not convey that 'information' to me in such a method or type that I can independently confirm that 'information' for myself. Due to this fact, your 'information' is nugatory to me till such time as you do exactly that. This incapability; your lack to offer me 'information' that I can independently confirm, speaks volumes.
*However, talking of 'information', I am going to offer you a believable cause why you consider you've got 'information' of God's existence, the (close to) infallibility of the Bible and within the actuality of a supernatural Jesus. It is all as a result of that was the theology that was taught within the tradition / society / group / household you had been born and raised into, though indoctrinated / brainwashed could be extra to the purpose and a extra applicable time period(s). Now you recognize, and I do know, that had you been born and raised in one other time and in one other place your theological indoctrination would have been drastically completely different. You'd wager the household farm on Ra, The E book of the Lifeless and on Horus. You'd have perception in your 'information' of the theology half and parcel of historical Egypt and you recognize this to be true.
*So simply since you declare to have some 'information' of one thing (i.e. - God & Jesus) doesn't in and of itself; of necessity, make that alleged 'information' appropriate. Many an individual has had information that later proved fallacious.
*Religion is just not scepticism.
*Assuming that each Devil and God are actual, how did you really determine that God is the nice man and Devil is the dangerous man? What mechanism did you utilize to determine that out? It's important to use your personal self-generated morality to resolve the difficulty. In case you use God's morality that is imposed on you, you then aren't going to have the ability to use your personal unbiased judgement. God is clearly going to be biased in favour of God.
Relating to Prayer & Miracles
*Palms that assist are way more vital than fingers that pray.
*It would not depend whenever you pray for rain as we speak when yesterday's climate forecast stated tomorrow it will rain!
Relating to the Bible
*Anybody can write phrases in a ebook just like the Bible. However is there any unbiased verification for all the Bible's alleged supernatural happenings? Simply because I learn a ebook in quantum physics would not make quantum physics true, nonetheless a lot I would consider the creator. However I can exit and do the experiments / observations (or watch the experiments being achieved) and persuade myself that quantum physics is certainly true because the ebook and authorship said. That is unbiased verification.
*Here is a Biblical analogy: I very just lately watched the 15 episode TV miniseries on DVD "North & South" - earlier than, throughout and after the American Civil Conflict. Now almost all the areas the place the tales happen really exist. Lots of the occasions (i.e. - Civil Conflict battles; Lincoln's assassination, Harper's Ferry, and many others.) really occurred. Among the supporting solid performed actually actual historic characters like Basic Lee and Basic Grant and President Lincoln, and many others. Nonetheless, a couple of of the locations, most of the occasions, and all the main characters had been completely made up. Thus, "North & South" is a piece of historic fiction so simply because one place / occasion / character was actual would not translate into your complete miniseries being one thing a highschool pupil might watch in preparation for an American historical past examination.
*Contemplate Genesis 2: 24 (King James Model)
"Due to this fact shall a person go away his father and his mom, and shall cleave unto his spouse: they usually shall be one flesh."
The one two people current and accounted for at this cut-off date had been Adam and Eve they usually did not have a mum and a dad (within the conventional sense). So the place did this idea of parenthood come from out of the blue; abruptly? Effectively clearly that is simply pure proof that Genesis was all of the product of human authorship; authorship that knew completely nicely that people come from people and that people have mums and dads. Mentioned authors wanted to make clear that after their imaginative rendering of the initially humanly parent-less creation delusion of Adam and Eve.
*I haven't got neither the time nor the inclination to undergo over 600 Biblical contradictions, one after the other. I'll point out one nonetheless. There are two separate and aside Ten Commandments which aren't complementary; they don't agree one with the opposite (other than the very first commandment) - examine and distinction Exodus 20: Three-17 and Exodus 34: 11-28 (and take particularly cautious word of the ultimate three phrases in Exodus 34: 28). Suffice or not it's to say that I'm satisfied the Bible is chock-a-block stuffed with inner contradictions. That is along with all the opposite nonsense I've already touched on and gone by way of.
*Who stated that the Bible was God's phrase? A human stated that!
Relating to that Biblical Speaking Snake:
*I am going to additionally word that it's simple to attempt to determine Devil with the speaking snake on reflection since Genesis and Revelation are eons aside; as far aside as it's potential to get. Revelation was written a lot, a lot later and may very well be twisted to adapt to earlier Biblical chapters and verses.
Confronted with an Ockham's Razor selection between the Genesis speaking snake actually being a supernatural entity (i.e. - Devil) for which there isn't a precise unbiased proof that he even exists, or the speaking snake being the product of pure human creativeness, which is a extra rational resolution?
Relating to the Exodus
Everyone knows the tall story of how God commanded Moses (and later Aaron - Exodus four) to go to the Egyptian pharaoh (curiously unnamed within the Bible) with a request, nicely demand really, to let God's Chosen Individuals (the Israelites / Hebrews) go away their alleged enslavement in Egypt so they might journey to the Promised Land - the Burning Bush delusion of The Exodus (Exodus Three).
God tells Moses that pharaoh is not going to hearken to him when he requests, really calls for is extra the living proof, that pharaoh let the Hebrew 'slaves' exit of Egypt, even after God has given the Egyptian nation (word, not pharaoh) 9 plagues to take care of.
Regardless of giving Moses and Aaron a bag stuffed with magic methods with which to persuade the Egyptian institution of their holy mission bona-fides, God additionally instructed Moses (and Aaron) that pharaoh would not hearken to them (Exodus 7: four; 11: 9) and let His folks go (Exodus Three: 19; 11: 9). In truth God knew before-the-fact that He must get downright nasty with Egypt (the Egyptians normally as a substitute of the pharaoh particularly) to be able to obtain His goals (Exodus Three: 20). So a right away difficulty arises, why trouble sending Moses (and Aaron) to chin-wag with pharaoh within the first place? It was doomed from the get-go.
In truth God intentionally and on quite a few events, hardened pharaoh's coronary heart to make sure Moses and Aaron would not be listened to[#] and to make sure pharaoh would not let His Chosen Individuals go (Exodus four: 21; 7: Three; 7: 13-14; 7: 22; eight: 15; eight: 19; eight: 32; 9: 7; 9: 12; 9: 34-35; 10: 1; 10: 20; 10: 27; 11: 10; 14: four; 14: eight; and in addition all Egyptians as well Exodus 14: 17). What was the purpose of asking pharaoh to let His folks go after which hardening pharaoh's coronary heart to make sure the precise reverse consequence? Maybe that simply then provides God the sadistic pleasure of inflicting merciless and weird punishments on the Egyptian folks by way of these ten plagues - word, not simply on pharaoh, the one particular person to which He had an preliminary beef. In truth a number of occasions pharaoh was keen to let His folks go and principally instructed the Hebrews to piss off (Exodus 9: 28; 10: 10; 10: 24; 12: 31-33), however no, God hardened pharaoh's coronary heart as a substitute.
What God ought to have achieved, what God ought to have instructed pharaoh straight god-to-man (face-to-face), assuming God was going to be fair-dinkum about His one and just one true goal which was getting pharaoh to let His Chosen Individuals go away Egypt (as a substitute of attempting to show Himself to all Egyptians as an all-round sadistic tyrant by inflicting the ten plagues), would have been that until pharaoh let His folks go, pharaoh was going to take a really lengthy stroll off a the highest of a really tall and steep stone pyramid. Finish of debate; finish of downside.
[#] And pharaoh did not hearken to (or hearken unto) Moses or Aaron (Exodus 7: 13; 7: 22; eight: 15; eight: 19; and 9: 12).
Points Arising 1: What was the purpose of sending Moses and Aaron to speak to the pharaoh when God knew pharaoh would not hear and let the Israelites / Hebrews go away Egypt and God Himself would guarantee this on quite a few events by hardening pharaoh's coronary heart? It was all an train in absolute futility in the event you had been Moses and Aaron.
Points Arising 2: What was the purpose of God inflicting punishment on the Egyptian folks and livestock (i.e. - the ten plagues) when it was pharaoh and pharaoh alone who was the impediment - an impediment God wished to be an impediment so God might strut His stuff and make rattling certain that one and all knew no doubt that He was a learn bad-ass.
Relating to God
*If there actually is an excellent argument for the precise existence of God, why aren't theists utilizing it?
*Even when God really exists, that in and of itself doesn't suggest that this God is worthy of being worshipped.
*By the way in which, a flawed world implies a flawed creator.
*In case you're attempting to show the existence of God, which god are you attempting to show and why? Are you able to give me any precise proof that helps your God that does not additionally assist one other god(s)?
*God stated it; I consider it; that settles it.
*If you're actually worthy of worship, you would not demand to be worshipped. And simply because God (could have) created you doesn't suggest of necessity that you're obliged to worship Him.
*If God created a girls to be a companion to the male of the species, why did not God create a feminine deity to be a companion to Him?
Relating to God's Creation & the First Trigger Argument
*I suggest that God is definitely a magical flying pink elephant how farted the Universe into existence. Justification? We all know that farting exists, even within the animal kingdom (my cats go wind for instance); we all know that flying exists, from bugs to pterosaurs to birds to bats to airplanes; we all know that pink exists (fairly other than the entertainer); we all know that elephants exist too. So a flying pink elephant that farted the Universe into existence is far more rational that presupposing any invisible magic man within the sky did the deed since we now have no precise information that such a creator deity really even exists.
*Possibly God induced the Large Bang occasion however in doing so blew Himself up - oops.
Relating to God's Omniscience
*If God is all-knowing then how can He be upset at you for sinning when He knew even earlier than you had been born that you'd sin?
*Some say that there isn't a contradiction in being all-knowing and having free will. But when you recognize for absolute sure, and you might be certain by that information, of what you will have for breakfast tomorrow morning, then of necessity you need to have that breakfast. In any other case you did not know for absolute sure what was to occur before-the-fact and you were not all-knowing. If you're all-knowing then you don't have any free will within the matter in the event you do what you knew for absolute sure what you'd do. Now both a deity has free will OR else it's all-knowing. The deity can't be each since that might be a logical fallacy or contradiction. In fact the deity in query may very well be neither all-knowing AND haven't any free will, which means that there may not even be a deity current and accounted for in any respect. Additional, if God is NOT all-knowing, then I am going to counsel that He would not know how one can create an absolute one thing from absolute nothingness.
Rebuttal: Omniscience (realizing all) doesn't embody realizing the longer term, as a result of the longer term doesn't exist (by the very grammar of the sentence, it might make no sense to say that the longer term exists). So, simply as an omniscient being would not have to know the variety of hairs on Harry Potter's head (there isn't a such quantity, so there's nothing to know), likewise He wouldn't should know the longer term (since there isn't a such factor)."
Rebutting the rebuttal: Some dictionary definitions to start out with of "omni". Omni means "signifies all"; "denoting all"; "a component of Latin origin that means 'all'". If you're ALL-knowing, the phrase ALL means simply that - ALL. ALL encompasses ALL that's previous; ALL that's current; ALL that's future; ALL is ALL that there's to learn about life, the Universe and every little thing. The phrase is "all-knowing" NOT "all (apart from the longer term)-knowing. Argue with the usage of the phrase "all", not with me. And by the way in which, the longer term is deterministic given the legal guidelines, ideas and relationships that rule the roost. One instance: photo voltaic and lunar eclipses will be predicted with certainty hundreds of years into the longer term. You can write an inventory of future occasions, occasions you recognize should occur.
Rebuttal 2: Omni does certainly imply "all", however the future doesn't exist, and so it's not a part of "all" any greater than the variety of hairs on Santa Claus' beard is a part of "all". There is no such thing as a such quantity, so even an omniscient particular person is just not required to realize it.
Rebutting the rebuttal 2: Once more, the phrase is "all-knowing" NOT "all (apart from the longer term)-knowing". Additional, given theist's perception that the Bible is absolutely the phrase of God, the E book of Revelation is all concerning the future. Additional, what about all of these Biblical prophets who had absolute information of the longer term? Lastly, I've satisfied myself by way of rational thought processes that free will and omniscience are incompatible and contradictory phrases.
Relating to God's Will
*Since we weren't allowed to eat from the Tree of Data that might counsel that God wished to maintain us in a state of pure and perpetual ignorance. Methinks information, even information of excellent and evil, is preferable to ignorance and so the speaking snake, Even and Adam in the end did the correct factor.
*Now simply why would God all people to have free will if He then is not going to permit stated people to train their free will with out punishing them for it? That is all of the extra the case when if exercising one's free will the train of that free will harms no different people. There are numerous "thou shall nots" within the Bible that in the event you do any of these "nots" God will get you for that although no particular person was harmed or inconvenienced in even the slightest method.
Relating to God's 'Morality'
*In case you suppose God is Mr. Morality personified, then please permit me to learn sure adult-only Biblical tales to your younger youngsters!
For instance (one in all many):
1 Samuel 15:2-Three (King James Model)
2 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I keep in mind that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid look forward to him in the way in which, when he got here up from Egypt."
Three "Now go and smite Amalek, and completely destroy all that they've, and spare them not; however slay each man and girl, toddler and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
Now how are you going to clarify to your younger little one why God ordered infants and infants to be slaughtered? And what was the purpose of killing all the livestock? God's insane!
*Extra about God's crimes? God says "don't kill"; God kills. Sufficient stated! For elaboration I like to recommend you watch on YouTube DarkMatter2525's clip on "God goes on a mass homicide spree". He provides 41 Biblical references to again up his claims.
*We don't, or we definitely mustn't get our morality from God on the grounds that He is very a lot a 'do as I say, not as I do' type of dude. Any optimistic affiliation between God and morality is a significant oxymoronic affiliation. I am prepared, keen and ready to judge God and God's alleged 'morality', particularly on grounds that God, in any case, was created within the picture of people. So I am in the end in judgement of fellow people, albeit people - people who wrote the Bible therefore outlined God's 'morality' - lengthy since turned to mud and ashes.
*In case you settle for God's model of morality unreservedly, then you might be passing judgement upon God. If you don't settle for God's model of morality unreservedly, both partially or in its entirety, then you might be additionally passing on God. In both case, you might be utilizing your personal internally derived ideas of morality to both agree or disagree with God's morality.
*Morality should come from some authority. We (the folks) ARE that authority.
Relating to Jesus
*Can Christian theists cite for me at the least one inscription or doc - NOT the Bible - that has been dated and authenticated to the period between 1 AD and say 50 AD, an inscription or doc that mentions Jesus, particularly a supernatural Jesus, one who carried out miracles and who was resurrected from the useless? Are you able to try this? If not then please preserve quiet concerning the existence of up to date proof for the precise existence of Jesus.
As a result of this is the purpose. Did any of the alleged (500 or so) witnesses (1 Corinthians 15: 6) to the resurrected Jesus, or any of the ladies or any of the disciples who noticed an animated model of him post-crucifixion ever pen their very own first particular person account of this miracle? The reply is an absolute "no".
And historical historian Josephus wasn't born till after-the-fact (37 AD - 100 AD). He makes no point out of Jesus till round 93-94 AD in his "Antiquities of the Jews", failing to say Jesus in earlier works, after which provides solely two temporary mentions which have merited a lot scholarly debate (i.e. - not everyone seems to be satisfied of the authenticity of what Josephus allegedly wrote. Additional, there aren't any originals - after all. The earliest copies date to the 11th Century, so we're coping with copies of copies of copies; translations of translations of translations. Who can actually say what alterations had been or may need been made by these Christian monks into whose care was positioned the related Josephus manuscript?
Even when regardless of all the copies and all the translations and all the alternatives for these with vested pursuits so as to add and/or subtract from what Josephus wrote, what Josephus wrote solely provides historic credibility to Jesus the mortal particular person, not Jesus the supernatural being.
*Christian theists do go on, and on, and on, and on, and on about all of this proof for the existence of a supernatural Jesus and a resurrected Jesus (and an invisible Jesus, however by no means thoughts that). But two of the three main monotheistic religions give the idea of a supernatural / resurrected Jesus absolutely the thumbs down. So why would not their alleged proof for Jesus reduce any ice with the True Believers of those two different main faiths? Methinks one thing is downright screwy with theist's alleged proof - prefer it would not really even exist.
*Relating to the alleged resurrection of Jesus, are you able to think about the debacle that might come up if trendy main information tales within the here-and-now weren't reported wherever till 50 years after-the-fact. What diploma of accuracy might you anticipate particularly if every little thing had been simply reported by word-of-mouth? Fifty years after-the-fact? Speak about various info rising and completely faux information.
*Hercules is the actual new resurrection story and Jesus is the faux information story. The resurrection of Jesus was a barely reworked plagiarism of the Hercules resurrection. Now show me fallacious!
*The alleged "empty tomb" is just not an argument for the resurrection of Jesus. Simply because my cookie jar is empty doesn't suggest I haven't got any cookies. Or, simply because I've an empty pockets doesn't suggest that I am broke.
*Sexual abstinence did not assist the Virgin Mary now, did it?
*knock, knock
--"Who's it?"
-"It is me, Jesus. Let me in."
--"Why would you like in?"
-"I wish to prevent."...
--"Save me from what?"
-"From what I am going to do to you in the event you do not let me in
Relating to Atheists & Atheism
*Theists would possibly simply profit by watching on YouTube the call-in TV present "The Atheist Expertise" (out of Austin, Texas) which is definitely designed particularly for theists to name in and provides their theism their finest shot. I might like to see theists go up once more Matt Dillahunty who almost turned a Christian minister (earlier than he noticed the sunshine) and thus most likely is aware of extra about Christian theology and the Bible higher than most theists do. I definitely would not wish to go up in opposition to him in a theological debate! So due warning: Dillahunty holds nothing again and pulls no punches and takes no prisoners.
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